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After his golden period, Thorn moves on to discuss his relationship with the late and immeasurably great J Dilla, who had long held PR as his favorite producer, perhaps even his greatest influence musically. But after the two met, it became clear that the student had become the teacher, as PR took a well-known trip to Detroit and stayed with the purveyor hip-hop’s swing for a week and learned his ways live and direct from the the dojo in Ma Dukes’ basement. Real recognizing real in the realest way, sparking PR’s continued pursuit of the perfect sample and its complimentary chop and ultimately, redefining what hip-hop was and could be in one 10-minute session in front of 16 withered rubber pads. That’s how good Dilla was.